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9/27/2003

super.KFinn(23:37):
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affirmative action IS necessary for college admittance and other things. but not for the reason alex said. we don't need to force anyone to become educated, the reason for the lower statistics for minorities isn't because of the unwillingness of minorities to learn. the reason for the statistics is that the minorities are not allowed to, because white people have advantages in college admittance. colleges give advantages to kids whose parents went to the school or whose parents have some other history with the school. since when most schools started, most minorities weren't able to go to college, as a result of racism. even if we had a racism-free socciety today, it would be harder for minorities to get into college because there was racism before. we need affirmative action to balance out the bonuses given to people with a family history in the organization, who are mostly white.

and I don't think we can really call them minorities anymore becuase they outnumber white people
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Alex(13:30):
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ok, I have made an official Alex decision. I am now going to include at the top of every one of my posts my real position, and then I will argue my just think position (the unpopular one) in order to allow for disagreement on this site, which we have had far too little of. Anyway, in truth I think that affirmitive action is reverse racism and should not be allowed, instead, minorities should be pushed at younger ages to continue with achievement throughout their lives.

JUST THINK:
Affirmitive action is good and necessary in order to allow higher achievement for minorities. It is a fact that minorities generally do worse in school, and get worse paying jobs. However, If we can essentially "force" them to a general level of achievement through placing them into higher level jobs over white people and schools over whites. We can counteract this, they will be able to make more money in their jobs and will be able to get superior jobs later on because they will have achievbed higher in school.
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9/26/2003

Bruno(23:30):
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I think it shuldn't be afirmative action it should be moved twards an anti racism thing in all schools and colleges. This way its not benifity anyone, its making it fair.
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9/25/2003

zacky(22:26):
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I think affirmative action is nothing more than reverse racism. Why did someone feel the need for affirmative action? Answer that question and deal with the final cause.
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pyroboy(16:02):
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affirmative action does NOT make our world fair. the concept is basically that minority people are given better treatment simply because they are minorities. the theory being that since many minority students (primarily african americans and latinos) do not perform as well in public schools or even advance in as far in higher education and jobs on average as whites and asians, thus they should be given preference to allow them more opportunities. its an ok idea but it does not AT ALL address the reasons for the problem at all. it only somewhat addresses the symptoms. one of the main reasons that african americans and latinos do not on average go as far in education is that they are on average poorer than whites and asians. one of the main reasons that african americans and latinos are on average poorer is that they do not on average do not go as far in school. it is a self perpetuating system of despair. so, affirmative action is a way to break the cycle by allowing african american and latino students to go further in school and life in general. this works... sort of. it has an interesting side affect. think about it. who are the most likely to benifit from affirmative action? african americans or latinos who already have the money to get out of the cycle. it doesnt help the poorest blacks or latinos much and if you think about it, it hurts the poor white or asian person. they can get stuck in the same cycle but have no exit ramp i dont think that affirmative action is a bad thing. i dont think that at all. i just think that it is misdirected. affirmative action should be aimed at the poor. at all poor people. at those who need motivation and scholarships most. as i said earlier, african americans and latinos tend to be on average poorer than whites and asians, this means that they can still recieve the benifits of affirmative action. however affirmative action will not help just any african american or latino, specifically those who are actually in need of the help. plus it will mean that the poor white or asian student has something going for them too. basically im saying that affirmative action DOES NOT AND CAN NOT make our world fair but it has the potential to make it a bit less unfair.
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9/24/2003

super.KFinn(18:59):
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how about affirmative action? I think that it is bad in an ideal world, but it's impossible for OUR world to be fair without it.

I don't think we've talked about affirmative action yet...
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9/21/2003

Bruno(10:15):
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Well Zack, why don't you think up some controversial topics that you know some of us don't agree with? Something you feel strongly about that you know I or Alex or Kevin or any of the other people that are members of this blog have a different view about.
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